Nah Am I Confusing Myself Right Now – Jerome John On Explaining Freewill As A Concept

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Welcome back to the Alien Space Sheep Talk Show podcast.

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In case you’re just joining us, you’re listening to the Alien Space Sheep Talk Show podcast

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Any free will as people, as humans?

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We’ve got rights and needs, right to breed.

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Now, am I confusing myself?

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How do I put this?

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I think we do, but I think I would just say it’s limited.

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Let me just put it that way.

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So I don’t get confused in the process of trying to explain or go further down.

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Yeah, that’s a good way to put it.

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It’s limited.

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What I think we’re talking about is do we really have impractical terms, not necessarily

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theoretical terms, because theoretically, I could go out and get in my car and say, I

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think I’ll drive on the wrong side of the road today just for the hell of it, or all

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sorts of things that we could theoretically do.

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So what I’m suggesting is that in fact, what so impacts our own sense of free will is so

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many things.

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You can go right back to our childhood, where and when we were born, the environments we were

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here now are upbringing the sort of family we had, the forces of influence upon us as we’ve

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developed as a human being.

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Now, the question I was going to ask at this point, so I will ask it.

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I’ll start with you, because do you think anybody is capable of anything, whether it’s good

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or bad, do you think if you feel we have free will, which you do, does that mean that you

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feel you are capable of doing anything good or bad, because that’s kind of the definition

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of free will.

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You can do exactly what you want to do.

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Good or bad.

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Yes, I think that would be the answer.

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Yes, you are, you can do whatever you want to do.

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You are capable of doing whatever you want to do.

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Well, whether it’s good or bad, this is what I have to say, I would disagree with that,

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because most people, I guess, in society, we’re all different.

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Everyone is unique.

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I mean, that’s another almost paradoxical statement.

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Everyone is unique, just like everyone else, which contradicts itself.

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But we are all unique.

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But it’s fair to say, I think, that a majority of humans, a majority of people, would never

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go out and mock somebody, would never go and steal their phone or worse, would never go

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and murder somebody.

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Now, I think under what you’re saying is, you’re saying, well, I have got the free will

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to do that.

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I don’t know.

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Take some stuff from a shop and not pay.

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Do some shoplifting.

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I’ve got the free will to do that.

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And theoretically, I think you’re right.

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You have.

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We all have, but in practical terms, and if I know you at all, that will be the last thing

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you, or Jerome, or I, would ever do.

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It’s not within our constitution.

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It’s not within our makeup to actually go out and try and harm somebody.

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Or to steal something we wouldn’t drive to a petrol station, fill up our car and drive off,

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although apparently that’s something that is happening more and more in these economic

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times and the war that’s going on, which is not to be justified.

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But that’s one exception, perhaps, where people may step outside of their upbringing, their

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environment, or the things that they were told to write and wrong, because maybe sometimes

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desperation can creep in and force somebody into a situation where they would do something

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that they would never otherwise do.

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I mean, an extreme perhaps example of that would be if a mother or father can’t feed their

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children, they may well go out and steal some food, and with some, you know, because to them

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with justification, because otherwise they can’t provide for their kids.

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So desperation can impact on an otherwise sense of rights and wrong that impacts all

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of us, but to stick with that right and wrong, we couldn’t go out, even if we could, we

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in practice, we would not go out and endanger people with our car.

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We wouldn’t drive at 80 miles an hour around a local town, for example.

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So can you see what I’m saying, Cuz, on your point, you think we have got free will?

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In fact, just actually ask yourself, do you really have free will to do anything you want?

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Could you really go and do anything?

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Just if in fact you would never ever do that no matter what the circumstances, then you

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don’t have the free will to do that.

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Do you not see that?

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No, I don’t actually.

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This is, now I thought I was confused, but now I think I get it now.

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So we have free will, right?

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Sometimes your mind could be corrupted, right?

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And then what happens to that free will that you’re talking about?

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It goes out of the window, don’t it?

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Because you can then literally do whatever you want.

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Under the influence of drink driving people that wouldn’t…

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