Category: The Alien Spaceship

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Welcome back to the Alien Space Sheep Talk Show podcast.

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In case you’re just joining us, you’re listening to the Alien Space Sheep Talk Show podcast

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with Emma Hickins and Trevor Gear.

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The case of where a couple or a family really put themselves in a situation which endangered

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the lives of rescuers was something in 2009 I think it was and it’s called the Nutty

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Pussy Incident. The Nutty Pussy was a cave system in Utah in America and it’s quite

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a long story so I won’t go into all of it but basically there’s a family of about five

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children, three boys, two girls and the boys met up in November 2009 and they all went

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back to the family home in Utah for Thanksgiving and so the boys said well why don’t we all

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go and go down into the cave system which they’d done as children into this nutty pussy

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Inc. And there’d always been a bit of controversy around the system because there have been

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people who got stuck thankfully retrieved and the local authority there at one stage

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in the early 2000s closed it under a lot of pressure from cavers and you said it’s

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basically safe they opened it again but they said we’re going to charge a license fee

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and you need to show some degree of expertise at caving so anyway that’s how it was so anyway

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these fellows they had grown up John Jones he was about 27 28 I think he was a medical student

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and he and his younger brother and I think two or three of the other siblings as well they

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all went along to the cave and down they went and they can most of them stayed in because

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it’s been mapped and most of them stayed in this beautiful room as they call it where there

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was space and you know all sorts of incredible things to look at with their lights I mean

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there was no daylight in there anyway John and his brother I can’t remember his name they

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went further and they knew where they were going or so they thought but they kind of John

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got a bit farther ahead and they became like a fork in the tunnel are these tunnels I

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mean they were crawling along they were crawling along in very tight tunnels now I’ve come

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to that point and I think we’re coming to the end of our time are we yeah it’s a shame

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because I was in the middle of middle of that but I have to continue that next week then

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yeah sorry about that I thought we started late and I thought we were carrying on a bit

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of a later anyway we’ll carry on if you want well let me just let me just finish this story

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because then we can take it from there anyway so they went down and John got a bit further ahead

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and there was a fork in these tunnels now when you see because they one of them they fill

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each other these people where they go down there you’re having to eat yourself and long you know

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horizontally in these terribly tight tunnels sometimes going around bends and you have to

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breathe in to get your body round he’s I mean how anybody can do those things I mean I suppose I

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would say I have a was at a degree of claustrophobia that doesn’t stop me doing things but the idea

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of going into a cave tunnel is probably my worst nightmare anyway they thought that he John thought

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he knew where he was but he took the wrong turn went down and he went down face down and it stops

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a dead end he called his brother and he heard him but he came and he tried to pull him out but his

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angle was at about 70 degrees so his head was way down below his body or anyway a long story short

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his brother had to go back to get rescue three hours later the rescuers professional rescuers came

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they sent people down they tried to rig up pulley system to pull him out and poor John he was

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getting of course when your head’s down like that you start to hallucinate eventually upshot was

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they couldn’t get him out and he died from cardiac arrest after 27 hours can you imagine

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can you imagine that and in fact after that the authorities sealed up that cave forever they

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concreted over with a with a testimony to poor John he had a little child and his wife was pregnant

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so it was a absolute tragedy the nutty putty incident and it’s worth looking at YouTube just to

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I don’t know just pay him one’s respects to John and his family but the point is the rescuers who

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kept having to go down there wanted to them got stuck but they were unfortunately able to be gone out

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although I’m not in any way casting aspersions or blaming John or his family because people

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do do things and we all could be in a situation where we need rescuing the fact is the

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rescuers could have lost their lives as well as to one of these divers in the more leaves at the moment

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so yeah that’s but the important message to take from that I think is that whatever the situation

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humans this is the spectrum of humanity the positive almost divine spiritual side of what we are

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always wants to help another human wants to help one another and that is a great positive and all

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the negatives the humans can be there is a wonderful beautiful side to humanity that wants to care

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for itself and that’s perhaps not a bad note to finish this so far wow wow can you imagine

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she’s been she you know I’m close to four weeks so I don’t think I’d survive I don’t think I’d

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survive five minutes there you know I’ll have a yeah I just I die I die of a fee oh my days oh yeah well

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yeah there’s nothing you can there’s nothing you can’t say when you know somebody’s done something and

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and obviously they’ve lost their lives you know it’s a really sad things to imagine you know so

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you can only feel for them can’t you you know you can’t really say oh there was two feet or whatever well

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if you survived that would have said he was stupid but yeah he died yeah yeah yeah yeah it is

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better yeah so this is all we’ve got time for you’ve been watching and listening to the alien

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spaceship with myself and me he can’t any calls me cause and we travel gear and he calls me brov

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ah so it’s a goodbye for me generous again that’s great goodbye from Richard this has been a deep

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Welcome back to the Alien Space Sheep Talk Show podcast.

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In case you’re just joining us, you’re listening to the Alien Space Sheep Talk Show podcast

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with Emma Hickins and Travel Gear.

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A group.

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You go rock climbing for instance or skydive, whatever.

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You wander off hiking or whatever adventure that you wander off on.

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I think you’re taking a risk.

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I think you should stay where you are.

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Oh yeah.

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I’ve always been a huge advocate for you.

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Just stay where you are.

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Where you going?

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What are you doing?

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I know I married an adventurous wife who wants to do the lesson and I said listen.

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If you go friends that you can take with you.

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I don’t particularly feel like.

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I just enjoy the peace of being in a safe place.

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On top of it, if we have to factor in the fact that you’re putting other people’s life

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at risk by actually trying to do what you love and then the people that love you will

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then risk their lives to confine you or even people that don’t know you.

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The emergency services for instance.

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I think it’s a selfish thing to do.

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For me, this is my opinion.

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I think it’s a really selfish thing to do.

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For you to put other people’s lives in danger.

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You’re not considering other people’s lives.

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You’re being inconsiderate and selfish.

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That’s the way that I look at it.

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Thrills, seekers, adrenaline, junkies, they might see it differently.

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That’s the way that I see it.

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My opinion, I think, before you do anything like that, just think about other people’s lives

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that you be putting at risk.

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That’s just mine.

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This is my opinion.

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It’s a reasonable opinion, but I guess we would say that, as I say, it’s a free world in

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that sense.

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We can do what we want.

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Most things that we do, probably in life, even everyday life, have a certain element of

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risk attached to them.

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We’re quite happy to get into our car.

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When you think about it, we don’t cram ourselves in, but the car is very much designed

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in the shape of the human body.

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You can bend, you can sit, your legs go down and body up.

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In a way, it’s like getting into a spaceship, into a capsule, and anyone who’s a bit claustrophobic.

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If they think a bit like that, as you can’t suddenly stand up in your car, you’re very confined.

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Then we propel ourselves along these inordinate speeds and don’t even think about it.

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We see cars driving on a motorway.

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We don’t think, well, sometimes he’s someone whizzing by, but even at 70, nothing else seems

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to be too fast.

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You’d break down on the side of a motorway and just see how fast 70 miles an hour is.

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It’s like a bullet going past.

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We do that.

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Most people do that quite happily when they get in their car as a driver or passenger.

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We don’t really think, well, it’s the syndrome, it can’t happen to me, which probably

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is, in fact, all of us.

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We are prepared to take risks on a daily basis.

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It does probably risk in most things.

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I mean, statistically, I think it’s true to say that being in your own home, whether stairs

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and a bath and other things, scoring walks of electricity, can be more risky in terms

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of accidents that happen than being anywhere else.

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I think, although I understand what you said, the fact is we do put ourselves in.

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In calculated risk situations, not many of us would go for these other things.

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One case, which we may have touched on before, of a case of where a couple or a family really

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put themselves in a situation which endangered the lives of rescuers, was something in 2009,

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I think it was.

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It’s called the Nutty Putty incident.

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The Nutty Putty was a cave system in Utah in America.

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It’s quite a long story, so I won’t go into all of it.

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Basically, there’s a family of about five children, three boys, two girls.

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The boys met up in November 2009.

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They all went back to the family home in Utah for Thanksgiving.

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And two of the boys said, well, why don’t we all go and go down into the cave system, which

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they’d done as children in the Nutty Putty incident?

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There’d always been a bit of controversy around the system because there have been people

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who’ve got stuck, thankfully, retrieved the local authority there, the one stage, and

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the early 2000s closed it.

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Under a lot of pressure from Cavans, and you said it’s basically safe, they opened it again,

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but they said we’re going to charge a license fee and you need to show some degree of expertise

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at Cavans.

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So anyway, that’s how it was.

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So anyway, these fellows, they had grown up, John Jones.

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He was about 27, 28, I think.

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He was a medical student, and he and his younger brother, and I think two or three of the other

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siblings as well.

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They all went along to the cave and down.

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They went.

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We’re going to take a short break now.

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We’re back shortly.

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Welcome back to the Alien Space Sheep Talk Show podcast.

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In case you’re just joining us, you’re listening to the Alien Space Sheep Talk Show podcast

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with Emma Hickins and Trevor Gear.

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Dances and then another lady, Edith Cavell, a British nurse working an occupied Belgium

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during World War I. She treated a wounded soldier from both sides. She lost her life by fire

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in Squad after running an underground network that helped over 200 soldiers escape to neutral

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territory. And then the last one on these, because these people are incredible in their

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bravery, was sadly another aeroplane incident accident in America in 1982 in Washington.

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There’s a film of this on YouTube and it’s an air flora to flight 90. Basically, you

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took off in a snow storm and the wings, although they’ve been de-iced, the time it took

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them to take off meant they’d iced up again. Long story short, it couldn’t get heights.

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So I decided to go down, it hits a bridge over the Potomac River and went into the water,

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completely underneath. And there’s actually, there is a knock that I’m saying is good

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to watch, but it’s quite an interesting story to see what happened. Anyway, five or six people

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surfaced pretty quickly. It was in the winter. I had an idea it was in May, but it was a

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rough snow storm. Anyway, the river was completely solidly frozen, but they surfaced, although

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the plane was underneath. They were there, boats were trying to get out to them. It was

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such a difficult thing. And indeed, a couple of men dived in to the water to try and help

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them. And the helicopter came and this 50-year-old passenger, Arland Williams, repeatedly gave

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up the rescue helicopter’s lifeline to other passengers. He lifted one of them at a time,

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and he insisted he would be last. And in the end, when the thing came down for him, he was

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gone. So again, this man sacrificed his life. So yeah, most friendships don’t entail sacrificing

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your life. But I’d like to carry on here and talk about something we’ve looked at before,

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and that’s extreme sports. Now, let me ask you a question there, because we’re looking

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at some of these extreme sports. Is it right, do you think, even within a free society,

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where you do what you want to do, basically, in terms of what sports you might do? But is it right?

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So risk your life in a dangerous sport, when in my tin tail, sacrificing the life of people

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sent out to save you. There was actually, before you answer that, there was a case on this,

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at the moment, really, in the Maldives last week, five people, five divers, including a very

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experienced professor, a lady, and her daughter, plus the boat captain and another man and then

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another lady as well. They went down 160 feet by an at-hole in the Maldives, and they went into a cave

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system, which sounds to me like a pretty dangerous thing to do, even if it is not necessarily considered

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extreme. Anyway, sadly, they didn’t surface. And then a body was found when they started to

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dive, as they started to search. The body on its own, they didn’t find, I haven’t still haven’t found

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the other four. They’re sending people down to try and find the bodies to bring them back for their

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loved ones. Sadly, one of the divers in the rescue squad has also died now. And the upshot of this

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is that there’s a very elite squad of divers in Finland have now gone over there to try and help

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to get the bodies back. Now, this highlights the problem, doesn’t it, when people do things which most

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of us would say are very dangerous. Right, if you want to risk your own life for the adrenaline

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buzz and fine, but some people have got to clear up the mess or try and rescue you. What’s your opinion

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is it right that we should have that freedom of choice to do anything we want to do, because people

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will always come and try and save you if it goes wrong. Yeah, when I was younger, I would say, you know,

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you’ve got to send people to try and find or save a life. Right, but now I’m older and I’m wiser.

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I think if you wander off on your own or whatever, or in a group, you go rock climbing, for instance,

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or skydiving or whatever, you wander off hiking or whatever adventure, you know, that you

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wander off on. I think you’re taking a risk. I think you should stay where you are.

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Oh yeah, I’ve always been a huge advocate for just stay where you are. Where you going? What

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are you doing? I know I buried an adventurous wife who wants to do this and that and I said, listen,

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if you go friends that you can take with you. I don’t particularly feel like, I just enjoy the

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Welcome back to the Alien Space Sheep Talk Show podcast.

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In case you’re just joining us, you’re listening to the Alien Space Sheep Talk Show podcast

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I don’t know whether they feel fear, I don’t think so, I think they’re not complex like a human.

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Whereas the little flyers, those tiny little black flyers, they’ve been researched

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and it does show that they make some sort of decisions just to where they’re going to go,

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what they’re not going to do and they experience fear.

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Which is quite interesting isn’t it?

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Because whenever you try and zap or swat something in your home,

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they very cleverly seem to avoid it, don’t they?

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It’s not nice to think, maybe they’re scared stiff of losing their existence.

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I don’t know, but again, it’s all to do with the same subject.

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Are all the creatures on the earth, our friends, we are okay, we’re the second most dominant creature

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but obviously humans have the upper hand on most things.

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And we could look at all sorts of the way animals are treated.

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We must be responsible for the deaths every year of millions of animals.

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But then most of that I guess is because we eat, most people, not everybody, but most people eat the animals.

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So again, we would have to say to ourselves, is that a reasonable thing to do for fellow life forms on our planet.

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So I guess we all grapple with these things from time to time.

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But the question in all of that is, do we think of these other little creatures

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and larger creatures, larger animals?

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Do we see them as our friends, which I guess overall we should do?

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Now coming back to that phrase, that expression,

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greater love has no one than this.

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Then someone lays down their life for another or for a friend as the original one says,

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fortunately our friendships with people don’t normally entail us risking our lives to help them.

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But looking a little bit more deeply into this, I looked at people who could claim to have that greater love.

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I was in mind my, yeah, now I was start with people who’ve done amazingly self-sacrificing things.

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Just because it’s a testimony to them really.

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First example, a man called Joseph Blankson in 2018, in a place in actually a Nigeria,

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called Rivers State Joseph Blankson.

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And in Nigeria, in 2018, 36-year-old Joseph Blankson, he died, while rescuing 13 passengers from a capsized boat,

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he saved them one by one, returning into the water each time until he succumbed to fatigue and drowned

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while attempting to save a 14th person.

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I mean, one amazing, one amazing love for a fellow human, humans he didn’t know necessarily.

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He was prepared to sacrifice his life.

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And I guess that really is the definition of friendship.

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The next one is a chap at bloke called Rick Raskola.

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And this was the 9/11 attacks in America.

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And his head of security for Morgan Stanley, which I think is a bank out there.

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He famously directed thousands of employees to safety during the 9/11 attacks,

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even going back into the collapsing world trade center to ensure others were out sacrificing his own life in the process.

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Again, what do things to do to keep going back?

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Most of us want to get away from danger, don’t we, whatever it may be,

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but to actually keep going back in to save people quite something.

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The next one is Jane Harrison.

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And in 1968, the P.O.A.C., which is now British Airways, had an engine fire.

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And this 22-year-old flight attendant, she stayed at her post to push passengers down escape shoes.

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She was awarded the Jord Cross for her sacrifices.

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Her body was found beside an elderly disabled passenger.

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She had stayed behind to help.

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I mean, that’s quite something as well, isn’t it?

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To know you’re going to die in the flames of an aeroplane.

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To save somebody who couldn’t get themselves out.

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And then there was Maximilian Colby in 1941.

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He was a Polish priest in Auschwitz.

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a fellow prisoner who had a family waiting for him, choosing to give his life to save another.

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I mean, that is, again, mind blowing, isn’t it, to save the place of somebody in those awful circumstances?

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And then another lady, headeth Kovell, a British nurse, working in occupied Belgium during World War I.

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She treated wounded soldiers from both sides.

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She lost her life by firing squad after running an underground network that helped over 200 soldiers escape to neutral territory.

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And then the last one on these, because these people are incredible in their bravery,

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was sadly another aeroplane incident accident in America in 1982 in Washington.

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There’s a film of this on YouTube, and it’s an air flora to flight and linesy.

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Basically, it took off in a snowstorm and the wings, although they’d been deiced.

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The time it took them to take off meant they’d ice.

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Welcome back to the Alien Space Sheep Talk Show podcast.

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In case you’re just joining us, you’re listening to the Alien Space Sheep Talk Show podcast

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Reading by spreading the parasitic disease, she’s just also me assets, gotta be careful

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at you saying that one, she’s just also me assets, so whatever that is.

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So yeah, so they’re the most dangerous animals.

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Now if we move on from there, as I say we share our lives on this planet with these people

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and I’d like us to look at saying that it’s a well known phrase, I think it’s from the

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Bible, we’re not doing religion but I paraphrasing this.

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So this greater love has no one than this that someone lays down their life for a friend

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or for another, right?

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Now before we get onto that, because we need to think what our friends and so on, I’m

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gonna ask you a question.

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Around your home, do you care?

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Yeah, flies and moths and any other bugs that fly around?

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Well I didn’t do where I used to live on my own, I didn’t have that problem.

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I don’t know why, I don’t have that problem.

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Occasionally I’ve a bit of one of them tiny annoying flies, you know, that’s very, very rare

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and this is really happening in the summer.

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However, where I’ve moved in to now, we’ve moved my wife, Jenny.

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She has a zapper that she uses to zap them.

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The first time I’ve seen anything like that, I mean I know the zapper, they have, you know,

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takeaways, it’s like a light bulb, but usually up there innocently and then the flies, they

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are attracted to the light or the moths, they are attracted to the life and then once they

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go there, it just zops them and kills them.

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I know I’ve heard of that one but I’ve never seen a, this one actually looks like one

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of the bats that they use are a wimble.

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That’s right, yeah, it’s a tennis racket, yeah, it looks like a tennis racket.

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It just goes, and it’s just, I like the noisy makes for animals or poor insects.

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So I don’t personally, I’ve only as spiders walk around, you know, sometimes I’ll pick them

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up and delicately and chuck them out, but they make their way back in, I don’t know how

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poor.

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Yeah, spiders are often an exception on me because we’re always told since a phrase isn’t

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there, if you wish to live and thrive, let a spider run alive.

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A lot of people, I think myself included, don’t like to kill a spider if you see one you

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try and put it outside, I agree with you on that.

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But otherwise you don’t have any problem and I’m not saying you’re right or wrong, we’re

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probably the majority of people do try and get rid of bugs around their home because

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flyers and things can, can pass on bugs to humans, the little moths, they can eat the clothes.

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with her one day and we were talking about this for some reason in general and she said

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that she never, ever would kill anything, any live thing in her home and I sort of asked her

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about it.

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I said, well, what about a wasp, what about stuff that could sting you and so on as she said,

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no, I believe that the planet has loads of life teams with life and I’ve got no more right

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to kill those little creatures than killing anything else.

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isn’t it not to kill another creature.

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I think the received wisdom on these things is, unless you are a very hard ethical stance

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or the person, most people would say, well, yeah, if they can cause damage to humans or to

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human activities within the home, it could be dangerous, then killing them is okay, provided

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you do it as quickly and as mercifully as you can, namely the zap of the, you’ve already

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talked about, so I imagine when you hit one with those, it would just zap it instantly to

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death.

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I mean, interestingly, I was looking at this and we’re as a little moth and they can do a lot

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of damage to clothes and bedding and so on.

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They’re not sentient beings, they are reactive.

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They, I don’t know whether they feel fear, I don’t think so, I think they’re not complex

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like a human, whereas the little flyers, those tiny little black flyers, they’ve been researched

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and it does show that they make some sort of decisions as to where they’re going to go,

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what they’re not going to do and that they experience fear, which is quite interesting

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isn’t it, because whenever you try and zap or swat something in your home, they, they

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said very cleverly seem to avoid it, don’t they, that and then it’s not nice to think,

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maybe they’re scared stiff of losing their existence, I don’t know, but, but again, it’s all to do

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with the same subject about are these, are all the creatures on the earth, our friends,

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we are okay, we’re the second most dominant creature, but obviously humans have the upper

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hand on most things and we could look at all sorts of things.

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Welcome back to the Alien Space Sheep Talk Show podcast.

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In case you’re just joining us, you’re listening to the Alien Space Sheep Talk Show podcast

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I’m playing for my Shand Friends, which is quite a clever little quotation actually from

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the 19th century I believe.

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Shand Pain for my real friends, real pain for my Shand Friends, which touches on friends who are our friends in species that run along

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all side us.

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Now the next question to you is this, what do you think the most dangerous animal on this planet is?

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Animals include mammals, vertebrates, everything.

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What do you think the most dangerous of the species is in the animal kingdom?

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Well I think the most dangerous will be humans.

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I thought you would say that and I think probably most people would say that.

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I would have said that till I look this up.

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There are humans, we are very high up on the list.

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But in fact the most dangerous animal in the world is the Mosquito.

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Now it’s dangerous and obviously we talk about danger in terms of dangerous to humans.

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Now the Mosquito kills approximately between 750,000 and 1 million humans every year around the world.

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And that’s really just a rough estimate.

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It’s probably more, basically they don’t attack humans but they pass on.

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This is like malaria, dengue fever and other very dangerous things.

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Okay so the Mosquito is the most dangerous animal. What about number two, who do you think is second?

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Humans.

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Yeah go for it again.

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Yeah, humans are the second most dangerous animal and we are responsible,

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apparently, for up to 475,000 homicides or murders every year.

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Now that of course is just humans against humans.

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We obviously kill a lot of animals in sex and other things.

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Okay number three, then what do you think the third most dangerous animal is?

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The third most dangerous animal probably be snakes.

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You’re very good.

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You’ve been looking at my notes, look at me. That’s good.

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Yeah snakes are responsible for roughly 100,000 to 150,000 deaths every year due to venomous bites.

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I mean that’s quite a staggering number that many people lose their lives having been bitten by a snake that’s pretty awful.

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Okay, next one, number four, but this is probably the third if we’re looking at most deadliest to humans, which we are.

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So number the third one after the mosquitoes, snakes, what’s the third one that kills most humans?

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The third one, the third one would be scorpions.

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No good guess. It’s actually dogs.

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Dogs. The third deadliest animal to humans, if excluding our own species as I’ve said, and it accounts for up to 60,000 deaths annually, primarily through the dreadful illness rapes.

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If you get bitten, in fact, I read a story a few months ago of a British lady who was on holiday somewhere.

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It may have been Morocco and a little dog simply innocently if you like, came up a litter on her arm.

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She thought nothing of it at all. It wasn’t a bite. It was a lick.

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She was over there with her family, her children and everything.

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Three or four months later and I gather rabies can incubate for three or four months, even longer.

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Oh, wow.

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She suddenly developed, started developing symptoms of rabies and of course if you don’t get immediately vaccinated after you’ve been bitten.

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Or licked in this case, then there’s no cure.

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She died a very unpleasant death, according to her family. Her rabies is a very disastrous illness.

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Thankfully it’s not been in this country for many years.

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That’s good.

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The last one in terms of danger is fresh water snails, not sure what they are, but apparently they’ve caused between 20,000 and 200,000 deaths each year by spreading the parasitic disease.

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She’s just also me assets. I’m going to be careful. She’s just also me assets.

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They’re the most dangerous animals. If we move on from there, as I say, we share our lives on this planet with these people.

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I’d like us to look at saying that it’s a well known phrase. I think it’s from the Bible. We’re not doing religion, but I paraphrasing this.

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So this greater love has no one to miss that someone leads down their life for a friend or for another.

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Now, before we get on to that, because we need to think what our friends and so on, I’m going to ask you a question.

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Around your home.

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Welcome back to the Alien Space Sheep Talk Show podcast.

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In case you’re just joining us, you’re listening to the Alien Space Sheep Talk Show podcast

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with Emma Hickins and Trevor Gear.

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Of course it’s computer.

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What is that one then?

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Okay.

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Yeah, should we make a start then, bro?

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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So do you want to do the opening remarks for us, please?

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Yes, good afternoon.

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Welcome along to our regular listeners and viewers.

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We are the Alien Space Sheep Talk podcast by Trevor Gear and he calls me “Bruv”.

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Hi, baby.

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Hickins and he calls me “cause”.

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Welcome to the Alien Space Sheep.

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Are you there?

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Can you hear me?

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Yeah.

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Oh.

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It’s still echoing.

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Strange.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Yes, what are we talking about today, bro?

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Well, I almost forgot, actually, I was even keeping my waiting so long.

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But we’re talking about one or two different things and we’ll start off

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it’s sort of the word friends come into this.

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I think I said on the WhatsApp that it’s who goes there, friend or foes, so it’s kind of

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related to them.

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And first of all, I’d like to ask you how many different species on our planet do you

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think there are in terms of having been identified rather than just hazarded, I guess, how many

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different species?

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How many different species of what?

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Of humans or…

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Of life.

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It’s not just human life, but of…

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I mean, the planet teams with life, doesn’t it?

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It literally teams with life.

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Many, many, probably more undiscovered species and species that have come and gone without

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being discovered than there are the we know about.

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But yeah, just hazarded, I guess, how many do you think they have as a… have been identified

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as species on this planet?

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I think it being tens of thousands.

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Yeah, it’s well, it certainly would be tens of thousands.

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And the actual answer to that is there are 2.1… I mean, there could be estimates up to

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trillion different species, but 2.1 million have actually been officially identified.

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So that’s quite a lot.

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Now, for the purpose of what we’re doing here, we’re saying here, we’re going to ignore

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the majority of those, which are in the form of plants and fungi and bacteria, stuff like

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I mean, there could be up to billions of those, but that’s obviously the majority of the

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2.1 million.

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Now, if we look at insects, there’s 1 million approximately, identifiably identified species

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of insect, which is a hell of a lot of insects, when you think about it.

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And the other main issue, the main genre here is the animals.

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There they include vertebrates and mammals, obviously we have vertebrates as well.

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And of those, the animals, there are 65,000 known species, but of those, 6,000 are mammals,

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which is us, of course, and 10,000 are birds.

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So 6,000 mammals, of which we are one of those, have been formally identified.

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So all the millions, likely millions of species, there are 6,000 of us, and then birds, about

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10,000.

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Now, we share the planet, don’t we?

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As we said before, just now, it teams and teams with different life forms and we share,

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we share our lives on this great ride, on this amazing planet.

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And this is where we come to the thing about friends, and our place in that has humans.

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just because it relates to, like, word friends, and it’s this, “Champagne for my real friends,

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real pain for my sham friends,” which is quite a clever little quotation actually from,

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from the 19th century ability, “Champagne for my real friends, real pain for my sham friends,

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which touches on friends, who are our friends in species that run alongside us?”

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Now the next question to you is this, what do you think the most dangerous animal on this

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Animals include mammals, vertebrates, everything.

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What do you think the most dangerous of the species is in the animal kingdom, the mammal

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Well I think the most dangerous will be humans.

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Yeah, I mean that’s it.

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In your point you think we have got free will.

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In fact, just ask yourself, do you really have free will to do anything you want?

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Could you really go and do anything?

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Because if in fact you would never ever do that no matter what the circumstances, then

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you don’t have the free will to do that.

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Do you know that you do not see that?

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No, I don’t actually.

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This is, now I thought I was confused but now I think I get it now.

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So we have free will.

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Sometimes your mind could be corrupted.

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Maybe under the influence of a substance, a liquid, whatever it could corrupt your mind.

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And then what happens to that free will that you are talking about.

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It goes out of the window, don’t you?

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Because you can then literally do whatever you want.

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Under the influence of drink driving people that would normally not drive a car recklessly

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would.

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And that’s a free will.

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You chose to have that drink.

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You’ve chose to get behind that car and you’ve chose to drive it.

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That’s free will.

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Because without the drink otherwise you would have been able to be a good driver.

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But under the influence of a drink or alcohol you are not a good driver.

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But you still have that free will.

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You could choose to have left that car at home.

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While you know your intentions.

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You know what?

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I’m going out and I’m going to have a good time.

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You could leave the car at home.

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When you choose not to leave the car at home, that’s free will.

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So yes, we do have free will.

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How we choose to use our free will is entirely up to us.

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most scientists agree, most neurosciences agree that if we have free will at all is a pretty

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limited extent.

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Because of the factors we talked about.

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In other words, people’s environment, they’re upbringing and most things we would never do.

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It’s only bad things because that’s not within our constitution to do that.

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They would never do in ordinary circumstances.

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You read this sometimes on an aeroplane that somebody has gone berserk.

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They’ve been drunk and threatening passengers and crew and everything else.

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It’s all hazy.

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I did have some drink and so on.”

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So yeah, that’s an exception to the rule of free will.

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But it does remain the fact that whether we like it or not, I mean, just to look at some

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of the scientists say, whether humans have free will is a deeply contested, unresolved

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debate across philosophy, science and theology, many argue it’s an illusion driven by a determined

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realistic biological environmental factors, which is what we’ve said.

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One others argue for compatibilism that rational agency exists despite deterministic forces.

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organ beyond anything we could ever describe.

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In itself makes us potentially unpredictable.

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So there’s a lot of contention on this.

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Now in fact, if we look at what someone like Einstein says, “I’m fine, and this law of this

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links into IQ and intelligence, really, I suppose, has to do with the brain.”

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He was a staunch determinist who believed that free will is an illusion.

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Meaning we cannot control our desires or actions, but merely act on them.

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experiments allowing further time lapse, that where we’re asked to make a decision on something

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a picture we see or whatever, in turns out the brain has already made our choice.

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Before we’re conscious of that choice.

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And there’s many experiments which scientists have done to prove this point.

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Our brain is such an incredible thing.

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It’s managing all of our systems.

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It’s something we can’t describe as brilliance.

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But actually, it makes probably neuroscientists believe 95% of the decisions which we make.

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And I stick with this because it is related.

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We get up in the morning because now we all have different lives.

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We have different things to do.

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Some will get up.

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Welcome back to the Alien Space Sheep Talk Show podcast.

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In case you’re just joining us, you’re listening to the Alien Space Sheep Talk Show podcast

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with Emma Hickins and Travel Gear.

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Any free will as people, as humans?

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We’ve got rights and needs, right to breed.

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Now, am I confusing myself?

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How do I put this?

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I think we do, but I think I would just say it’s limited.

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Let me just put it that way.

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So I don’t get confused in the process of trying to explain or go further down.

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Yeah, that’s a good way to put it.

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It’s limited.

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What I think we’re talking about is do we really have impractical terms, not necessarily

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theoretical terms, because theoretically, I could go out and get in my car and say, I

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think I’ll drive on the wrong side of the road today just for the hell of it, or all

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sorts of things that we could theoretically do.

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So what I’m suggesting is that in fact, what so impacts our own sense of free will is so

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many things.

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You can go right back to our childhood, where and when we were born, the environments we were

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here now are upbringing the sort of family we had, the forces of influence upon us as we’ve

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developed as a human being.

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Now, the question I was going to ask at this point, so I will ask it.

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I’ll start with you, because do you think anybody is capable of anything, whether it’s good

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or bad, do you think if you feel we have free will, which you do, does that mean that you

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feel you are capable of doing anything good or bad, because that’s kind of the definition

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of free will.

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You can do exactly what you want to do.

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Good or bad.

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Yes, I think that would be the answer.

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Yes, you are, you can do whatever you want to do.

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You are capable of doing whatever you want to do.

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Well, whether it’s good or bad, this is what I have to say, I would disagree with that,

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because most people, I guess, in society, we’re all different.

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Everyone is unique.

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I mean, that’s another almost paradoxical statement.

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Everyone is unique, just like everyone else, which contradicts itself.

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But we are all unique.

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But it’s fair to say, I think, that a majority of humans, a majority of people, would never

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go out and mock somebody, would never go and steal their phone or worse, would never go

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and murder somebody.

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Now, I think under what you’re saying is, you’re saying, well, I have got the free will

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to do that.

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I don’t know.

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Take some stuff from a shop and not pay.

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Do some shoplifting.

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I’ve got the free will to do that.

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And theoretically, I think you’re right.

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You have.

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We all have, but in practical terms, and if I know you at all, that will be the last thing

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you, or Jerome, or I, would ever do.

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It’s not within our constitution.

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It’s not within our makeup to actually go out and try and harm somebody.

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Or to steal something we wouldn’t drive to a petrol station, fill up our car and drive off,

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although apparently that’s something that is happening more and more in these economic

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times and the war that’s going on, which is not to be justified.

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But that’s one exception, perhaps, where people may step outside of their upbringing, their

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environment, or the things that they were told to write and wrong, because maybe sometimes

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desperation can creep in and force somebody into a situation where they would do something

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that they would never otherwise do.

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I mean, an extreme perhaps example of that would be if a mother or father can’t feed their

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children, they may well go out and steal some food, and with some, you know, because to them

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with justification, because otherwise they can’t provide for their kids.

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So desperation can impact on an otherwise sense of rights and wrong that impacts all

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of us, but to stick with that right and wrong, we couldn’t go out, even if we could, we

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in practice, we would not go out and endanger people with our car.

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We wouldn’t drive at 80 miles an hour around a local town, for example.

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So can you see what I’m saying, Cuz, on your point, you think we have got free will?

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In fact, just actually ask yourself, do you really have free will to do anything you want?

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Could you really go and do anything?

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Just if in fact you would never ever do that no matter what the circumstances, then you

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don’t have the free will to do that.

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Do you not see that?

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No, I don’t actually.

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This is, now I thought I was confused, but now I think I get it now.

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So we have free will, right?

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Sometimes your mind could be corrupted, right?

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And then what happens to that free will that you’re talking about?

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It goes out of the window, don’t it?

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Because you can then literally do whatever you want.

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Under the influence of drink driving people that wouldn’t…

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Welcome back to the Alien Space Sheep Talk Show podcast.

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In case you’re just joining us, you’re listening to the Alien Space Sheep Talk Show podcast with Emma Hickins and Travel Gear.

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Several sites are a story.

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Yeah?

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So, there are two of more people involved in an incident.

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Each of them has to say the other side of the story.

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So, I’m thinking saying the truth is, saying your side of the story.

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That’s the way I see it.

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Yeah, I think there’s a very good way to put it.

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I think it recognizes this idea of my truth.

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It may not be worldly truth or universal truth, but it’s my truth as I see the world.

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It recognizes how actually all of us live in our own minds.

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The world is always from, it can only be from our perspective because our existence,

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everything we perceive and feel is from within our own minds.

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And actually sometimes that can be slightly stressful to think everything’s going on in our heads.

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And we just interpret things we see around us.

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But yeah, we know how to react to things.

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And as I say, my truth, my knowledge is that this is how I see the world.

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And maybe sometimes we need that. We can be a bit vulnerable, so we can be a bit therapeutic by talking about my truth.

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And it kind of leads us into my next subject, really, which is related to this.

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And that is free will.

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Now, we have touched on this a few times before.

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Free will.

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Now, I’ll ask you the straight question, both of you first of all.

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Because you first, do you think we as humans actually have free will?

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Yes, I do, I do think we do have free will.

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Yeah.

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Now, this is, we do have free will.

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But it’s then limited by the laws of nature.

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What does that mean?

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Well, if you see a free will, if you have free will, your free will is limited.

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And his limit is about the laws of gravity.

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There’s over all these over the laws that limit, ordinarily limit what you can’t do.

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For instance, you can’t fly off a mountain, for instance, and expect to land on your feet.

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And the feet might be sharp.

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Of course.

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I believe you.

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Sorry, so I don’t mean to interrupt you, carry on.

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But just to say, when I say free will, I mean, within the realms of possibility of things that can be done, I agree.

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Anything that’s outside of possibility because of nature or facts of life.

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And of course, we can’t just suddenly decide to fly off somewhere ourselves.

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But yeah, I’m talking about within the bounds of what is possible.

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Do you think humans actually have free will to make choices to do just what we want to do without any second thought, really?

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Is that what you’re saying you believe?

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Yeah, I do believe we have the free will to do whatever we want to do.

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Without a second thought, thought actually because, you know, something, some actions of voluntary of it.

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But yeah, am I making sense?

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Do you own what do you think, Jerome? Do we have free will?

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On the contrary, though I’ve had the saying this through will, but on the contrary, I think it’s…

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I call it a bit limited, or should I say, the sad thing is even if you want to do, yeah, you have to consider the law of the land.

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Yeah.

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And put other things into consideration.

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So by so doing, would I say it’s free? Can I count that as free will?

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No, because you have to put other things into consideration before you do it.

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You’ve got a right to speak, yeah?

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But it is, don’t forget, there is libels, lander and sedition.

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If I’m not wrong, this is us.

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Yeah, we’ve got a right to speak, but there’s libitation.

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So I wouldn’t say we’ve got free will.

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That’s right, that’s my take.

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Yeah, I think it’s interesting.

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So would you say we don’t really have any free will as people, as humans?

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We’ve got a right to live, right to breathe.

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Now, am I confusing myself?

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How do I put this?

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I think we do, but I think I would just say it’s limited.

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Let me just put it that way, so I don’t get confused and the process of trying to explain our goal further down.

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Yeah, that’s a good way to put it, you think it’s limited.

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What I think we’re talking about is, do we really have impractical terms, not necessarily theoretical terms, because theoretically, you know, I could go out.

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